tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post3062394975773052193..comments2023-11-28T22:47:40.465-05:00Comments on Tales from FAR Manor: FAR Future, Episode 61: It’s All Over, RoverLarry Kollarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08317037795075278427noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-68903677300150853192008-11-25T23:03:00.000-05:002008-11-25T23:03:00.000-05:00Hey all!Yooper, I have hope for Iceland simply bec...Hey all!<BR/><BR/>Yooper, I have hope for Iceland simply because they *can* heat their homes and keep the lights on without any outside help. Whether refinery projects would be worthwhile in the current economy is questionable, no doubt, but they were a poor (but still viable) country not that long ago. Cancel the funny money, trade what they need for what they can supply, and they shouldn't do any worse than 1970. Better, actually, since they've tapped their huge geothermal resources since then.<BR/><BR/>I know what you mean about the UP, but ironically fuel shortages might spell better times at least for Marquette or Houghton. I remember hearing stories at Da Tech about students sneaking into abandoned mines where they could just pull huge pieces of nearly pure copper off the walls. If it gets too expensive to ship copper ore from Africa or Asia, or iron ore from West Bumblefuzz, where is North America going to get ore? Will recycling be more economical than smelting high-grade ore?<BR/><BR/>Boran, exactly. I've noticed that in upcoming episodes I don't talk much about what's going on in the Wide World. But the world just got much larger, even with instant communication.Larry Kollarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08317037795075278427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-10008324538646465792008-11-25T22:10:00.000-05:002008-11-25T22:10:00.000-05:00The up side, if there is one, is that the war is f...The up side, if there is one, is that the war is finally over. Pitty the cost.boran2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10483728578007756485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-68335896356520946002008-11-25T18:46:00.000-05:002008-11-25T18:46:00.000-05:00You see Far, I was taught to never make assumption...You see Far, I was taught to never make assumptions.. Going beyond this, is were most mistakes are made, agree?<BR/><BR/>Gee, I hope Iceland can somehow turn their finacial situation around, but I have my doubts. Their market may be too far away and the EROEI, might not make it economically feasible any longer..(No wonder, I know of this first hand, eh? How can we support industry here? We're simply to far from the market). You bet, their potential energy factor makes the island very attractive, however that takes money to maintain (and X amount of people). I'll likely continue my interest in Iceland, as this is where my interest lies, population, isolation, etc...yooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-63478307415320981532008-11-25T15:14:00.000-05:002008-11-25T15:14:00.000-05:00FM, I think "augering in" might be the r...FM, I think "augering in" might be the right term?<BR/><BR/>Sure, Yooper, the question is how much? I suspect we'll use up somewhere around 75% — after that, the EROEI will get too low to make it worthwhile to keep burning the stuff (although the chemical properties will continue to be useful).<BR/><BR/>As for Iceland, I think once they reset their economy they'll be OK. They have enough geothermal power on tap to keep the lights on & their houses warm for the duration; I think Aruba or Trinidad (some island in the Caribbean anyway) was talking about building a refinery in Iceland last year. The question is whether they can trade their exports (fish, ferrosilicon) for other food or fuel as needed.Larry Kollarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08317037795075278427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-21649045074043417302008-11-25T09:16:00.000-05:002008-11-25T09:16:00.000-05:00Hey Far and FM! Yup, what's happening in Iceland i...Hey Far and FM! Yup, what's happening in Iceland is a crying shame. I'm getting reports from three individuals there. Protests against the goverment, etc.. Of course, Iceland is an isolated island (pop. 304,000) and only recently went on line of being idustrialized. None the less, it's the dynamics of it's fall AND the implactions it has on it's trading (importing and exporting)partners, that I'm interested in. There's that little ripple, Far.......<BR/><BR/>http://www.newsfrettir.com/yooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-82852262144744330842008-11-25T08:51:00.000-05:002008-11-25T08:51:00.000-05:00Hey Far! Great addition to the series! Ok, you've ...Hey Far! Great addition to the series! Ok, you've got the Ghawar oil field glassed over... The war is over...<BR/><BR/>Is it all that unreasonable to think that shortly after we peak, that what may be left(fossil fuels) for another civilization will be a little less than half?<BR/><BR/>Aren't we really strecthing the imagine to "assume" that all nonrenewable resource will be consumed?<BR/><BR/>It's something to think about...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-45775558261719626862008-11-25T05:57:00.000-05:002008-11-25T05:57:00.000-05:00Hiya FAR and Yooper.Pretty stark future there FAR....Hiya FAR and Yooper.<BR/><BR/>Pretty stark future there FAR. <BR/><BR/>Yopper I agree with FAR. That's not just falling off a cliff, but going many feet below ground.Family Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17101125448247590979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-14073448769138670612008-11-24T22:13:00.000-05:002008-11-24T22:13:00.000-05:00My friend, that is the reality over at Iceland.......My friend, that is the reality over at Iceland....yooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-5831215124713628792008-11-24T21:14:00.000-05:002008-11-24T21:14:00.000-05:00Ouch, Yooper. Just ouch. Talk about falling off a ...Ouch, Yooper. Just ouch. Talk about falling off a cliff…Larry Kollarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08317037795075278427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12954391.post-68900886596004532472008-11-24T12:03:00.000-05:002008-11-24T12:03:00.000-05:00Here Far! Check this out, this is a graph depictin...Here Far! Check this out, this is a graph depicting Iceland's market http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/OMXI15.jpg <BR/><BR/>I'll come back later and comment on your story..yooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.com